hope this doesn't affect the political views

[johniss0001]

hey guys hope all is well. If anyone out there is in london,birmingham, leeds, manchester anywhere in the england area to be honest is ok and these rioters haven't gotten to ya.

I don't know how or why this started but the brown is really hitting the fan here luckily in brighton i ain't affected by it yet but my fiancee is affected up in barking/romford.

[chrisom]

No matter what country, every human being has the right to protect his own life and that of his family. Guns work the best, but the elitists of the world feel that armed slaves don't make good subjects. We all have to protect our right to Life, Liberty and Property here in the states, before the Saul Alinski Fan Club that's running America from both parties gives up our rights for us...

[mightymike]

I feel really bad for the people being terrorized by those rioting as an excuse to get "free stuff". You set fire to my house, or my neighbors house and I will conisder that attempted murder and reserve the right to protect myself, my property, and my neighbors with extreme lethal force. That's common law that goes back 1000 years. I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6. I read that aluminum basball bats are selling like hotcakes in the UK. I don't understand why the police weren't sent in to take care of this on day 1. These riots where announced on Twitter and Blackberry Messenger. Twitter is totally traceable, but Blackberry Messenger is not. Maybe Blackberry messenger should be disabled. These rioters who are traceable through twitter (many who stupidly took pictures of their crimes and posted them) are going to get a visit from the UK authorities.

Much of the rioting around the world, and flash mob beat downs like at that fair in Wisconson recently are coordinated through Twitter and Facebook. When a crime is being proposed and planned, something should be done to the enciter, and cops should be there at the proposed place for the riot/crime to prevent it if possible.

[frenchie]

you must let the threat roll before coming as a savior with a bunch of "solutions" .... basic law of social dynamics /opportunism ... same with economy ^^..ya know , deregulate , let it blow ,then bailout .. socialise the losses , privatise earnings ..
i'll stick with music personally , far more patterns and rich combinations than this pathetic boogieman theatre , information became .... it's appearence is always effervescent and full of colors and shapes but it's core is always the same boring and endless climbing the ladder of power bullcrap ..

police just obey orders ..period.. this type of guys just don't miss a chance to kick some butts by accident , or they where there but wearing cowls and base ball bats ? ya know to take the right angry stances in front of cameras , EVERYONE knows real hooligans their messy underfed selves just don't take the light as well

[Froumy]

Like how you think, Frenchie. Left/right, doesn't matter. Seems like the individual that's paying attention, always seems to realize it's screwed up. Sorry to hear it's affecting a loved one. Best of Luck to your Fiancee.

I'd tell you not to let the sh!t bother you, but it sure as hell would, if I was in your situation.

[mightymike]

you must let the threat roll before coming as a savior with a bunch of "solutions" ....:

I'm just a regular guy, but I bet if you put a bunch of mounted Police in full riot gear with rubber bullets there before the rioters show up, and the London Riots and the Wisconson Fair beat down never happen. These 2 cases were just "free for alls" and not all that organized. I'm just saying. I'm glad the UK police are ganing the upperhand, and I hope everything is going well for you and your family in France which was way worse than this.

[frenchie]

you must let the threat roll before coming as a savior with a bunch of "solutions" ....:

I'm just a regular guy, but I bet if you put a bunch of mounted Police in full riot gear with rubber bullets there before the rioters show up, and the London Riots and the Wisconson Fair beat down never happen. These 2 cases were just "free for alls" and not all that organized. I'm just saying. I'm glad the UK police are ganing the upperhand, and I hope everything is going well for you and your family in France which was way worse than this.

don't worry there aren't any riots in france for now , i was just reacting on the subject , but since elections are this year i bet there will be bunch of them before christmas ( cars burned and shit , i've been through that ) , even more if economy get any worse , a police car crashing into one or two youngsters in the hots suburbs would help a bit ( it happened , more than once ) ... for the police involved i wasn't either saying it was ALL staged in london but from my own little experience of how things work in france and what i know for sure , police involved in putting oil on the fire in various places wearing cowls and shit is a pretty common practice ( lots and lots of youtube videos where you can actually see policemen putting off and on their orange armbelt , basically with casual wear , i mean hooligan kinda casual wear ) , super good technique to scare the hell out of old farts and tweak them into voting for the most securitarist of the bunch , and there are LOTS of old farts in france i assure you

ya know when you wanna lead goats somewhere , you don't have to beat the crap out of all of them , you just have to lightly flap your woodstick over there and whistle here , and on and on ... same with people ,and the instinct of community does the rest very well .

[somethin'else]

Another sentient gold meteor. Right on time man, I was stuck in downtown traffic.

Everything you ever wanted to yell, but were afraid to see inprint.

Truth is hard times. People's peoples.

[redgtr]

No matter what country, every human being has the right to protect his own life and that of his family. Guns work the best, but the elitists of the world feel that armed slaves don't make good subjects. We all have to protect our right to Life, Liberty and Property here in the states, before the Saul Alinski Fan Club that's running America from both parties gives up our rights for us...

I'm with you Bro! A well armed militia is what's keeping us from being peasants! I hope the socialist are willing to die for their beliefs, because there are many who are willing to die to keep it from happening!

[Froumy]

One thing for certain. Seems people That are both left or right(NOT to be discussed), agree on one thing. What a Huge freaking mess our governments are! I sometimes wonder if they try to get both sides so worked up over the little things, that we don't pay attention to the giant, steaming load of crap, that's just sitting there and growing. No wonder Congress has a 2% approval rating. 2%!!!!! Come election time, we'll all put on the same mask, and vote for the slightly less horrible candidate, once again. Individually we're all fairly intelligent. Collectively? Seems we're no better than a herd of lemmings- You jump off that cliff- I'll jump off this one. I don't mean to offend the well meaning, involved folks-because there are some. Do us a favor, so we don't have to pick a cliff.

Good Luck, over there Johniss/Frenchie. Hate to see that stuff keep spreading, but it seems we may be in a holding pattern for a while. Read that 1 Quadrillion $$$(4?-10? times all the"real" money on earth) may have been lost in the derivative market. Could be a rough ride, for a while.

And Sentience. You gotta be smokin' crack, or somethin. Siamese Dream vs. Melon Collie? Gimmie a break! Gish hands down, X 2. Lull wasn't half bad either.. couple decent ones on pieces of carrots. Guess I don't like the poppy ones....


Some Sundry Facts. Russia has just joined China in blasting the U.S, Calling the U.S. "leaches" from the rest of the world. Makes sense. We spend $1.60 for every dollar we take in. We borrow the rest from them. Not a good thing to have those guys upset. (Million man Army, Nuclear power house). We've also been printing "fake" $$$ with no backing. (we "buy" it back(by running the presses). Over the next 20 years, your share of the debt is over $400K. Projected expense from the CBA is $130? trillion. In 1920, 1 in 20 worked for the government. in 2011, 1 in 4.3. No. This is not from any political organization. Nor is it an attempt for a political discussion(taken from a joint committee). Just something that was a bit of a reality check, for me.

Suppose we ought to P.M. any personal political views, to not violate any forum rules. Hope we remember that this post was generated from Johniss living with this shit. Frenchie, too. As a long standing members, they bring a different European perspective on reality, that deserves some attention for us on this side of the pond. More importantly, they're living it. That's not political. It's reality.

[frenchie]

Good Luck, over there Frenchie. Hate to see that stuff keep spreading, but it seems we may be in a holding pattern for a while. Read that 1 Quadrillion $$$(4?-10? times all the"real" money on earth) may have been lost in the derivative market. Could be a rough ride, for a while.

Hope we remember that this post was generated because of Frenchie's concern for a loved one who is living with this shit. As a long standing member, he brings a different European perspective on reality, that deserves some attention for us on this side of the pond. More importantly, he's living it. That's not political. It's reality.

actually the one concerned about a loved one was johniss not me at all ....

[johniss0001]

i could go into the whole political thing sorry for my lack of replies on this. This is my generation here and they don't have a clue what they are fighting or looting for they are like oh yeah we are going to show police etc we have power no they don't they are just pissing people off, robbing community shops cause they believe cause you own a business you must be wealthy ha aye right!, robbing places like pc world and general shops including maccy d's cause they feel society owes them wtf does maccy d's have to do with anything!

They say this started over a kid in tottenham being shot it's a cover man it should have been dealt with in tottenham not manchester, birmingham, dagenham etc. If you are going to grow some stones and riot at least hit the people who are pissing ya off i.e. government buildings instead of trashing your community haha and what does destroying an independant record label have to do with anything noting it's all an excuse!

Say you are going to start a revolution quote from a british tv show called the royle family starring ricky tomlinson "MY ARSE!" Learn what you are revolting about from the videos i have seen these tarts and yobs don't have a clue.

I have reasons to protest about I was in a car accident 11 months ago, i have been fobbed off by doctors, the government etc I have nearly lost my business, I nearly smashed up all my vintage guitars and amps cause I really don't give a shit any more and it's breaking my heart if i have a problem go to the source and nip it in the bud.

I could rant all day about this and maybe cross political lines but i don't want to do that. for people who do care just look at the videos on youtube and look at the type of kids doing this there are no rockers/metal heads in the lot it's all wannabee gangsters i don't want to cross a like but just watch the videos they are trying to turn it in to a race war. I am dealing with the benefits system everyday in england right now due to above accident I am very pissed off with how the country is run i mean I can barely afford to eat, i am eating out of date food, the system has landed me in a lot of debt but these kids that are on the system they are probably playing it and they are getting more money than what I am. I can't afford new trainers if I need them I have to pay for people to help me do shopping cause my shoulder is wrecked I am in constant debt i try to spend every last penny saving my dignity and reputation cause that's all I have left at the moment. These kids have it easier and it's my generation that are screwed they don't know how fucked britain really is put it this way britain has no resources to make speaker magnets or valves it's all out sourced they don't know that. I started researching vintage amps as i got into studying the make up of them and speaking with the right people sorry names can't be confirmed yet but this guy worked with hendrix, worked in the mullard plant, he served his time in pye and olmypic studios and was 1 of the original london radio pirates in the 60s. I am writing a book on all this stuff.

These rioters think they are the dogs bollocks right and fighting for the right cause send em to iraq/afghanistan and see how long they will last you want to be a hero things don't pan out the way you want it! It's bloody embarassing as i keep mentioning my other halfs store was targetted, her mum's store got hit and her mum still had to go in and work! The real heros in this mess are the ones that are cleaning up all the shit after these yobs. They hate governments thing is these kids ain't even protesting about all the cutbacks (sorry not meaning to go into politics there) and a lot of these kids don't pay tax cause they don't earn enough money revolt against something that affects ya and atleast know the facts. Walk in brixton you have to be brave cause the gangs are there, walk in dagenham you see gangs of these kids all over the place dang guys even on the bus. No wonder people are intimidated and scared and it's kinda silly that these guys are shitting on their own doorsteps if you get me, setting fire to their communities. There are so many people to blame for this but these yobs took it on themselves they get what they deserve and if they are going to cut their benefits then cut their benefits people that live in these areas are struggling and refused help so give the help to people who deserve it these guys don't if you want to start a revolution etc people are going to kick you out of those circles and not being funny but i can see britain kicking all these youths out. There is no work or work is going to people who come into the uk minimum wage here is about £5 for someone of 21 you have to work 60 hours to live here. I have done my electrician training to try and get a job because I have a trade it doesn't help, i was at university for a while and these students think they can walk into a £60k a year job doesn't work like that.

I started learning about tube amps and valve gear because it serves a purpose and when the microchip dies tubes will be left cars won't work that have ecus I am learning all these old skills and keeping the world going before they are lost forever and that's what it's all about preserving knowlege and the people i have met along the way are geniuses in their fields and it's nice that they want to have a drink with me and pass on their knowlege i know i ain't gonna be rich but the skills i have are all i need and my kids are going to have those.

sorry for the long rant i feel i had to make somethings public

[frenchie]

as i've said johniss situations from each sides of the channel are quite different , but for the probably one and only common point economic and moral collapse create a bubble of tension that just need a pin to blow up , i'm not trying to give them excuse for what they did at all , personally i think police and youth is to be put back to back on this matter , i don't like either one , both play a real dirty game ,i really hope it hasn't been misinterpreted , " gangster wannabe" kind of youth in france is really pyramidal and it's super organised , for the most they simply won't gather to attack someone or some people that's not been marked undesirable outcasts before by their "hierarchy" ( aside from drunk nights , people looking at them the wrong way , and usual robbery )... now the riots of 2005-2006 in france well , i can tell you for SURE they served a precise purpose , you can see the pattern , economic collapse hadn't happened at this time , no riots since then and economic situation is far worse now , at the time rented locals were found with zillions molotov cocktails inside , it only made little lines in the last pages of french journals but yeah ...rented ...not cracked open ^^ it's not just mad youth on a testosterone trip there , those surely haven't got the habit of planning anything ...

[somethin'else]

Very Well Said, John, and really insightful, Thanks.

I'd say it's pretty similar here in the States too, as far as kids thinking they can do a two-year tech college and expect to hit the market pulling $30k + a year easy. My wife's a chef instructor for a culinary college, and I've seen the dirty. They ring the kids in for the full financing, and they think they're leaving to be the next rock star chef, and they end up on the line at Applebee's or McDonalds with a loan to pay off at 24%!

I don't know anything about our unemployment system, except that I'm currently on it, but I've paid my dues and it's due to me. I agree lots of folks ride the system 'cause the criminal/litigeous mindset is the new norm, and it's much easier to take-and-ride-for-free if you have no upbringing that promotes depth of knowledge or appreciation of ANY skill, trade, or art - be it service related or specialized.

The system is imploding on itself, and their only defense is to let the chips fall where they may, despite all good intentions of managing humanity.

Same with the music industry. It's all grass-roots if you want to have any depth of experience. And know that you're in for life not expecting any more than to eat and enjoy it.

Thanks for ranting it out. I hope you stay true to your path and enjoy it despite the assholes

I always think of how Django Reinhardt, a gypsy with Jewish bloodlines was able to stay in Paris during the Nazi occupation. They loved him! Amazing, the implications of that. Think of how that helped him "play the blues".

[johniss0001]

that's true frenchie, but the irony of it is they are using twitter and blackberry messenger to organise it all haha if you were going to organise it atleast use a phone box as it's less likely to be traced.

Frenchie i still don't understand what is going on in the uk it's a mix of bad things all round but these rioters at the end of the day arent targetting the right sources it's quite funny watching the videos and hearing what they are saying it isn't the cut backs it's showing they have more power, power to do what... I had my own business but since the car accident i have had to put it all on the back burner what i have my own business does that mean I am a millionaire?! hell no if anything I am poorer cause of my age i am 21 I am entitled to very little help from the british government I asked for help to get building site safety cards or help pay towards my electricians course I got shot down everytime. I decided to learn all about tube amps and their secrets with thanks to this forum I have always had a fascination with valves and how they work now i have the right guys teaching me this stuff. Fuckin hell I have someone who worked at mullard and with hendrix wanting to give me their time to disect valves and find out the secrets and even design a custom attenuator, that guy has had me down at the studio he designed here in brighton we did some testing on tubes and amps i had well over £1k of studio time it was really scary meeting with those guys in that studio as i thought they may have said this kid is bogus and i have been talked about in that studio amongst those guys for these guys right to say hey man let's chat over a coffee or a beer even though i don 't drink it's still an honour to get 5 mins a lone with these guys and not ask for any money we went out for dinner i went to put my share of the bill in and they said put your cash away john!

I get wound up by all of this as it affects me and my generation I have afew gut feelings as to how this is going to go and so far i have been kind of right but i am going to sit back and read all of this.

I am sticking to my guns man and learning about the britsh history of engineering cause mark my words all this stuff will come back ham radio man i get comments all the time from people saying i am crazy but i am sticking to my philosphy on engineering learn all the old skills before they are lost heck even carpentry!

These kids tend to sit at home on their xboxes etc how many actually go out there and look for work, they are bored and waiting for opportunities to go to them it doesn't work like that you have to knock on the doors and create your own opportunities which is why i started wee jock amplification I feel i have brought so many musicians together and building a small community. Music colleges don't start me on them those kids don't have a clue sure they become really good players look at brighton institute of modern music here. They become good players as i mentioned but they don't have a clue about techniques and tone old muso's never followed any rules there were mistakes left right and center and when it comes to sound they are lost in the world of protools and plugins to be honest i'd rather use my old revox A77 anyday and my revox has history it's the one that was on bob dylan's basement tapes and donovan owned it to record hurdy gurdy man on sorry no paperwork confirming this but i got it from donovan's ex accountant.I use all old analoge equipment sure it doesn't have all the bells and whistles but it gets teh job done i tell it like it is. I am straight to the point I had people moaning to my dad about my rants on facebook e.g. what do my bloody rants on facebook have to do with anything and my parents these people that complain to my folks they don't live this they are wealthy business men and thing is i am being shat on by the tax, the government, I can't eat properly i have nearly signed myself into the mental hospital cause of all this and nearly smashed all my music gear.