fake mustards

[axeman]

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hello, dont take offence mate, i told you it was just my opinion and why.
yes i do have mustards, i have a 74 100jmp with em and theyre sweeeet.someone put a 460v p/t in there.
i also have some old amps, home made ones from the sixties with them, original old home builds.
im building a 69 clone now with ****** o/t it will have some stashed mustards from my horde.
Just measure em, look at others mustards..compare. they just look too big thats all.
this is the thing, people are gonna be pissed..what did someone write before " just dont worry about it"
So there you go axeman.." just dont worry about it".

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[axeman]

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[RockinRocket]

Got the Photos,

I'm sorry, the ones you are using to compare are double scripted .022uf .022uf scripted leading me to believe these have H factory written on them? Correct??

These were made in Australia and Marshall never used these (from what Ive seen) and H coded caps usually have longer than UK manufactured leads!! They way you talk leads me to believe your from Aussie. And this makes total sense now.

Miniwatts were made in South America and Mustards were made all over the world.
W,N,P and S were the factory's Marshall used in there amps and were probably made in the UK, Germany and Holland.

I'm sorry but I feel you have done this EBAY seller WRONG!

[crumb]

hello rocket,
i just sent you another image of a NOS, 22000pf, uncut leads, from my stash.
i have tried to send photos again here but im simply not allowed to, i note axeman sent his no problem even though i got a message that the ' quota for the forum has been reached'.
Unfortunately for your theory, it weighs 1.28 grms and has a date code of 021. the leads are slightly shorter than the h code one from Australia ( good work there btw).
I wish i was wrong, i could keep these caps.
This seller is selling fake caps, and hes an idiot, and unpleasant.
Pls do find what you have, measure, weigh it etc and post your findings here. rocket, if you can..repost my photos here so others can see this obvious scam.

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[crumb]

my point is, I believe all .022 400v NOS uncut mustard caps are gonna weigh either just under, or just over 1.3-1.35 grams. Its the thickness of the rolled up materials moreso the aluminium that will define the weight of the thing.
My theory could be wrong, but i dont think it is,AND, if true. youll be able to identify if youve been ripped, and avoid the scammers. if you have loose caps that look real, pls do weigh them and lets all take a look at em.

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[axeman]

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[RockinRocket]

hello rocket,
i just sent you another image of a NOS, 22000pf, uncut leads, from my stash.
i have tried to send photos again here but im simply not allowed to, i note axeman sent his no problem even though i got a message that the ' quota for the forum has been reached'.
Unfortunately for your theory, it weighs 1.28 grms and has a date code of 021. the leads are slightly shorter than the h code one from Australia ( good work there btw).
I wish i was wrong, i could keep these caps.
This seller is selling fake caps, and hes an idiot, and unpleasant.
Pls do find what you have, measure, weigh it etc and post your findings here. rocket, if you can..repost my photos here so others can see this obvious scam.

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100% wrong.
The one cap you have with a 20000p 021 cap is most likely a very old cap from 1962. It also has a big crack along the seam in the casing. That cap has been compromised and will eventually fail. 95% of mustards that crack happen at the edge and the lead basically falls off.

Weight has ZERO to do with a cap authenticity.
These were not very precise. Made on a machine each cap will vary from on to the other especially from year to year ( 60's were fatter) and factor to factory. I have caps rom the same batch, same bag that vary drastically in size from one to the next.

Your Mustards with tarnished leads are in terrible condition. I would not have bought those. In fact zero of my Mustards 400 of them are any where that bad and some of mine came out of Phillips service poster/packs and 100% authentic.

Your H caps you buy from Aussie are not Marshall caps.

Your P dated caps are not a scam but rather your misinformed.
The seller was honest IMO.

[crumb]

well, i'm sorry to hear you've been ripped off as well.
I think EVERYONE who has bought caps from these bulk pack ebay sellers has.
Youre doing exactly what the seller did, which is simply say my stuff is fake hahaa or broken whatever.
what you're doing here now is just typing words out with no evidence.
From reading what you just wrote, you don't have any/many actual mustard .022, real ones.
If you did, you'd be showing them in images right about now.
Don't be shy, show us your stash.
I don't blame you mate, getting ripped off is just awful, which is what i'm trying to prevent from happening to the people any more.
This isnt a case of mine are real, and his arent and isnt that lovely etc., it is an opportunity for people to get to the bottom of something that surely some of you must have thought about from time to time.
Go ahead, post images of what you have..weigh them...just go and borrow a digi scale, my wife has one for weighing gold that she buys, take your time.
Again, if they weigh... 1.38grms or more, i'd say theyre fake...and I'm the only person whose actually trying to get to the bottom of a very fishy smell...everyone else posting is doing so without qualifying what they are saying.
Everyone else it seems is just angry that i've even suggested that theyve been had, and in your case, had real bad.

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[RockinRocket]

I didn't say yours are fake. I said they were made on the other side of the planet in Aussie.
They were not a part Marshall ordered and why would they? They are in Europe and have Philip factory's local.

Go ahead and use your tarnished H mustards and the cracked one.. what ever man just trying to help .

You can teach the ignorant but not the stupid .


Upload your photos to a hosting site. Imager or the such grab the link and post here.
I have zero interest.

[crumb]

"Weight has ZERO to do with a cap authenticity."
- convenient thing for someone to say if they have hundreds of fakes. Unverified, Unqualified.


" Made on a machine each cap will vary from on to the other especially from year to year"-
my measurements show the opposite.

"( 60's were fatter)"-
Unfortunately for your argument, the fakes currently for sale on ebay are fatter than the ones you yourself have said come from 1962 in my possession. They weigh 1.45 to 1.60grams and are physically fatter, as the pictures you have and refuse to post show.

"and factor to factory"
-. as you yourself have noted, the caps you have referred to in my possession vary by .07 of a gram even though they were made ten years apart and possibly on other sides of the globe.

this is one my favourite comments of the day
"Your Mustards with tarnished leads are in terrible condition"
EXACTLY...theyre 50 years old....
" I would not have bought those. In fact zero of my Mustards 400 of them are any where that bad and some of mine came out of Phillips service poster/packs and 100% authentic."
- zero of your mustards have tarnished leads? well, what does that mean? erm..maybe you should start buying mustards with tarnished leads...

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[axeman]

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rocket,

you're not acting like a person who has zero interest, to me you're acting like a seller who feels as if his profits are about to plummet.
Thanks for calling me stupid/ignorant, it's not helping us solve this little puzzle of the never ending cap/ sealed philips service bag dilemma is it? Anyway, because you have zero interest, it's been nice chatting with you mate.
Go ahead folks, post some images of your caps..try and get em weighed...and..uh..you may want to hold off buying any " bulk pack " buys for now off ebay or anywhere else until the secret of the never ending supply of caps is solved.
You may not care, you may " just dont worry about it" ( ?! ) but if you do care , try and help yourself and the rest of the building/enthusiast community who want real caps, not fakes from ruthless sellers.
Stay tuned folks, i'll keep trying to get some images posted here.

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[crumb]

" Dude you are weird as fuck"

-and my amps have real mustards

[crumb]

ok, this post has no value without clarity.
some empirical data:

Cap 1 NOS Australian .022 double scripted..weight 136...date code d3h

cap 2 NOS ditto weight 134 date code d3h

cap 3 NOS ditto weight 136 date code d3h

cap 4 NOS 22000 pf really mustardy..deep color 127 date code 011

cap 5 NOS 22000pf really mustardy ..deep color 128 date code 021

cap 6 NOS 22000pf really mustardy deep color 136 date code..1 digit missing "31"

cap 7 .022 looks brand spankin new weight 145 date code 33p

cap 8 .022 looks brand new " 158 date code 33p

cap 9 .022 looks brand new " 158 date code 33p

cap 10 .022 looks brand new " 160 date code 33p

non empirical observation- winding caps is like winding transformers..too many winds = more of something.. voltage in the case of transformers..capacitance in the case for capacitors
in order to get the same capacitance with thicker foil, the caps end up bigger, and heavier. The fake caps are bigger, anyone can see it..even though their date codes indicate 1973..as my learned friend here( who has zero interest in the matter ) has stated, they were a bit thicker in the sixties..not seventies.
The cloners cannot find thin enough material to make them end up around the 1.3- 1.35 range, which is excellent news for people who want actual mustards, as you can just weigh and see the fakes ( or just notice the leads are totally untarnished)
Of course, I could be totally wrong, but I don't think i am, and surely there are people here that care enough and have access to a digital scale.
anyway, its dinner time

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