Apple mac and intel

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:37 pm

Hey Apple have just introduced this in the UK this week, it is an apple computer with intel processor. I love apple computers easy to use i really liked the G4 until it blew mine and my dad's cameras by being a pc world botchup i mean they had 1 lieing in their store and bits and we got that 1 repaired by them also our receipt said laptop not desktop!

Anyway I am 1 of the most qualified people to use apple computers where i live i can do programming and shit on them that most it people can't do where i live and i have even sat an exam on them.

This new apple that is out is just away in my oppinion for bill gates to wangle his way into that company by turning apples into pcs and charging you even more dough for them, maybe they will be a shit hot computer but time will tell although the invention of the mini mac was genius!

ampSnob · Post by **ampSnob** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:14 pm

I love macs but had to go PC because of the lac of warez and cracked software.......I mean that's what we used at work. I'm so excited about the intel platform mac, possibly now I can get the best of all worlds, the great unix based mac os, really high quality built computer, and the possibility to run a run a dual boot mac with XP for all that warez

Leif_Bodnarchuk · Post by **Leif_Bodnarchuk** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:45 pm

I've been a mac user for years and don't buy into the hype.

I've always liked the way macs work, but Apple seem to repackage quite often in my opinion. The iPod is testament to that. A few little bells and whistles and all of a sudden, YOU NEED TO OWN THIS FABULOUS MARVEL OF TECHNICAL WIZARDRY!!!!

I don't want an iPod because I don't want to join the millions walking around who look like they have no idea what's going on.

Humbug...

I'm not sure what my point was but I have successfully bored myself stupid....

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:51 pm

The cool thing about Apples (so far) is that there is no spyware, and according to Mr. Norton in an interview with Neil Cavuto there have only been a touch over 60 viruses written to attack Macs ...EVER!! He went on to say that there were 60,000 (est.) current viruses circulating the internet.

My 3 have been connected to broadband through a lynksis router 24/7 for 4 years with no anti-virus software and no issues at all.

-Andy

Necrovore · Post by **Necrovore** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:41 pm

I think now that Mac will be using the Intel architecture for their cpu's as well as OSX being a Unix based OS, we will start to see more viruses written for Macs now. Personally I wish they would have stayed a legacy system, but I guess to gain marketshare they had to go this route.

Personally I would love to be able to build a pc and have the choice of going Mac or MS operating system. I guess we will have to see whats on down the road.

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:29 pm

i agree, about there not being many viruses for macs but you are right that will soon change

MacGaden · Post by **MacGaden** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:23 pm

First off: Viruses are written for operating systems and apps, not for processors. Even PC´s with AMD processors get viruses.

MacOS X is more secure than Windoze because of the way it was built. No app is allowed to take over the Operating System/computer, even if you´re the admin user.
There are no viruses for Mac in the PC sense. The few scripts that circulate require the user to do something actively stupid, like running apps as Root, a user above Admin user, and one that´s not enabled by default. Most Mac users will never even know Root exists. No reason to. The UNIX core: You´ll never need to know anything about either. But having a UNIX core makes OS X the most stable OS around, protected memory means no crashes, apps may die, but the OS won´t, true multitasking means you can run several apps at a time, each process does´nt interfere with the other providing you have enough memory.

Security comes from the design of the OS, and MacOS was built to be a network OS, because of it´s UNIX roots. WinXP was not. It is reasonably secure from SP2 on, but you still need firewalls and virusprotection if you want to surf securely. Before SP2 a WinXP machine lasted 12 minutes before it was infected in tests. Now it´s up to a few hours. Provided you don´t download or surf...
I have never lost data because of virus on a Mac. Got my first in 1988.

Apple´s move to Intel have nothing to do with Microsoft. Intel has the processor with the most power per watt, the Core Duo, making it possible for Apple to make an iMac that is 4 times faster than it´s predecessor, at the same price. It´s a fantastic machine. I spent 2 hours testing it today.
But more importantly: They can make what is effectively a dual processor laptop, that has long battery life, does´nt overheat, and is only an inch thick. Again 4 X the speed of it´s predecessor. I´ll get one next week.

The result may well be that you get a computer that can run both Windows, Linux and OS X. There are ways already to do that, but it´s not simple. Yet. And Apple does´nt mind if you install Windows, and Microsoft does´nt care. As long as you buy their products.

As for installing OS X on a generic PC/Wintel machine: It may happen but, I don´t think you´ll be able to just buy MacOS X and install it. It´ll be on a limited number of well defined configurations. Windows, apart from being inherently unsafe and unstable, has the big problem that it has to support a wide range of hardware, processors and cards, relying on drivers, not allways well written, to work. A Mac is Mac. The OS works on any Mac. No extra drivers needed, because the hardware is a known factor: It is allways made by Apple. MacOS X, 10.4.5, works on machines from 1998 untill now with no problems. You just install it. If Apple were to support al possible motherboards and processors it would be a supporters nightmare.

I´m not just a home user, though I have 5 Macs and 2 PC´s at home. And a Mac server for music and pictures. But when I´m not hanging out here, I´m an ACSA, Apple Certified Server Admin, the highest certification Apple has, I´ve been a Mac user and supporter since 1988. I´m certified on Windows too. I´m responsible for two research departments, and student IT at a University, at the Dept. of Health Sci. 500 Macs, 6 X-Servers and 2600 users.
We are 2 people to support the Macs, and 8 for 550 PC´s... That should tell you the difference in workload between the platforms. And they are used for more or less the same things, with most of the heavier stuff being done on Macs. Because of the Unix based opensource Apps used in research.

As for repackaging iPods... When you improve the product, add features, and lower the prices you can hardly call that repackaging. The new iPods play music and movies, shows pics and records and lots more. And are smaller, lighter and cheaper than the ones they replaced.

As for not wanting one... Since Apple has 72% of the market for mp3 players plenty of others do...

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:23 pm

i want to become an apple certified user how do i do that and what exams do i need to sit, I love macs the software is really great!

Bad Kitty · Post by **Bad Kitty** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:40 pm

Try Linux. Thats what Microsoft uses on thier servers.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:41 pm

Bad Kitty wrote:Try Linux. Thats what Microsoft uses on thier servers.

u mean unix and or even freebsd;) linux has gui that bogs things down for server use. we dont need no stickin user interface for servers!
Mark

Bad Kitty · Post by **Bad Kitty** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:44 pm

No. I mean Linux. I java developer friend of mine told me that Microsoft uses Linux servers. It's free.

MacGaden · Post by **MacGaden** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:27 pm

Microsoft uses their own MIS (Microsoft Information Server) now. They changed after it was revealed that their anti Linux/open source campaign ran on a Linux server. They have some stuff on Oracle as well. And quite a few Apple servers internally.

Linux is just one flavour of UNIX. There are differences. Apple´s UNIX core is based on FreeBSD, one of the oldest strains of Unix. For more : http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

As for GUI´s... Command lines are fast and powerfull. You can wreck a lot in no time if you don´t know what you are doing. And you can download nice GUI´s for Linux as well. But you have to know what you´re doing.
Apple, on the other hand is the biggest distributor of UNIX in world.

Certification: http://train.apple.com/certification/
But I warn you, johniss: It´s not cheap. I got someone to pay for me...

johniss0001 · Post by **johniss0001** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:51 pm

call me john mac i thought it would be a good idea to find out about 1 of these courses, i set a course on os10x about a year ago and it was easy