Drum Software??

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:03 am

OK, another scenario to mull over...

Going through the numbers the digi002 is nowhere near as big $$$ as I thought. Certainly an option to consider. The board itself is not limited to just Pro Tools, right Mark? You're running Nuendo with that board?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:09 am

NY Chief wrote:OK, another scenario to mull over...

Going through the numbers the digi002 is nowhere near as big $$$ as I thought. Certainly an option to consider. The board itself is not limited to just Pro Tools, right Mark? You're running Nuendo with that board?

its almost double what you would pay for the 1814 - but the name is worth it. i spent the extra and got it instead of 1814.
i have the 002r( rack) there is also the 002 - and yes its hardware that can run anything.
remember its with using protools software that you need digidesign hardware - this is why maudio( less expensive hardware ) is kewl cause it can run a version of protools as well as anything else. so yes, with my 002r i can run any app.

http://digidesign.com/

products/ protools le systems and read up on 002 and 002r

digi hardware runs anything
other hardware cant run protools.
for the first time ever maudio bridges the gap and allows the use of both protools and any other software.
Mark

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:25 am

Necrovore,

in thinking about it. note: basically speaking ,when u use your software to record in a session, you are making sure that during recording process you arent touch faders in the app.
leave them alone and adjust your gain to get levels for recording with your hardware. the only time you should touch faders in app is during mixing.
just something i thought about trying to figure out what yer asking exactly

Mark

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:30 am

Mark how do you like the converters on the digi002? I've heard from a lot of folks that the converters and clock sync are its weak points.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:33 am

compared to what?

NitroLiq · Post by **NitroLiq** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:39 am

Not compared to anything, really. Just know others that switched to Apogee or RME. I probably wouldn't notice the difference...was just curious if it was something you noticed.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:49 am

apogee and rme is good stuff - i can see people using those comparing - they are all within same price range and the if anything the equivilent with apogee and rme will cost alittle more. both their converters are great. digi's isnt bad either.

ya get whatya pay for. where u are really going to start to even notice a difference is when u r using $1000 mics - its all in what ya wanna do.

Mark

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:08 pm

The bucks aren't very diff, Mark. If you take the 1814 ($500) add Pro Tools M-powered at $300 and a control surface (Mackie @$1000) I'm in 002 territory. I'm thinking maybe just bite the bullet and sink the cash.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:13 pm

sounds good to me. remember you can save some bank and hold off on the control surface. its not needed at this point in the game. its all on yer screen dude.

Mark

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:37 pm

Yeah, I know. The control surface thing will probably be the deciding factor. I haven't done any computer based recording yet so as soon as I take care of some work and family obligations I'll get my PC up and running and play with the Toneport stuff to get a feel. I just like the idea of being able to put my hands on the faders. I still mourn the loss of a drafting table. When I got out of engineering school the designers were still on the board with paper and pencil. To this day I still hate trying to read a full size blueprint on a computer monitor. Then again the CAD packages are incredibly powerful these days. We on the verge of Scotty and crew

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:31 pm

Hey, Mark.

Sweetwater's got a pretty good deal. What do yout think? $2200

Digi002 w/ PT LE
plus
Ableton Live Lite 4
Reason Adapted 3
FXpansion BFD lite
IK Sample Tank 2 SE
IK Amplitube LE
IK T Racks EQ
Celemony Melodyne
Bunker 8 REX file CD
PT Instructional DVD

the apps are not full up versions but can be updated. Don't know exactly what level.

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:36 pm

hell of a deal - i say go for it dude.

Mark

amplitube is a kewl app - used as non destructive pluigin in would be like this:

you plug your guitar straight in - use amplitube to get an amp up , say a marshall with 4x12 cab and effects. - u record your track and then decided you wanted to use a ac30 for the track!?! - u just switch it to an ac30 - amazing technology.

Necrovore · Post by **Necrovore** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:07 pm

rockstah wrote:Necrovore,

in thinking about it. note: basically speaking ,when u use your software to record in a session, you are making sure that during recording process you arent touch faders in the app.
leave them alone and adjust your gain to get levels for recording with your hardware. the only time you should touch faders in app is during mixing.
just something i thought about trying to figure out what yer asking exactly

Mark

When I use the software to record a session I run the gain on each channel so that my input signal is peaking in the green right before the red, never going into red. The sliders are at unity. What is happening in the software is that it seems that as I go, each channels output is summing up at the main output. So lets say that channel 1-4 are peaking at about -6db with an average signal at about -9db. When they hit the main output in the software I am way into the red with the sliders at unity. I have not noticed that there is a gain adjustment for the main outputs. This is why I asked if it was wise to group each section of the recording and pull the groups via sliders to compensate for the accumulated signal being in the red at the main output.

Bjorn

EDIT: As for Drum Software, I like using Fruity Loops to construct my drum lines, then dump that MIDI file into Steinberger's LM-4 using Drumkit From Hell as the samples. I would NOT recommend LM-4 to anyone. I figured it out one day and have been using it. Its a royal pain in the ass to set it up and you cannot just point and click to add/subtract trigger points, you have to toy with a pre-existing MIDI drum file. Same thing goes for the MIDI editor in Nuendo. You should be able to set up your MIDI channel and instrument in a MIDI editor and then go to town with your mouse if you do not have a triggering device. Nuendo's or Cubase, or Cubasis' MIDI editors allow you to do this, where stand alone drum software programs will.

NY Chief · Post by **NY Chief** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:49 pm

rockstah wrote:sounds good to me. remember you can save some bank and hold off on the control surface. its not needed at this point in the game. its all on yer screen dude.

Mark

Gittin close, Mark.

If I get the 002r can I still add a control surface later? Do you know how that works? Does the display show moves being made on the desk? ie, raise slider on desk and the slider on screen moves as well?

rockstah · Post by **rockstah** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:55 pm

NY Chief wrote:
rockstah wrote:sounds good to me. remember you can save some bank and hold off on the control surface. its not needed at this point in the game. its all on yer screen dude.

Mark
Gittin close, Mark.

If I get the 002r can I still add a control surface later? Do you know how that works? Does the display show moves being made on the desk? ie, raise slider on desk and the slider on screen moves as well?

kewl man. i believe you can add a control surface and yes as u move the sliders on the conrtol surface u will see it move on the screen. call digi up.

Mark