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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Sparky4444 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:43 pm

Blix wrote:
Sparky4444 wrote:
Can you cop the intro to Unchained and put it up?? I would like to do a spectral analysis of it and see how it looks....
Here you go, threw together a quick Unchained... :)

http://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/unchained" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Kewl!...I'll check it out tonite...I'll also put up some samples soon as well...I am obsessed with the engineering part of how Landee got that sound....

..The one thing I know is that using two 57's came make things harder to blend...I also know that there can be no way they put a 57 right down the cone if they were only using one mic -- had to be offset or angled facing the cone angle...for Fair Warning, I am thinking if they used on 57, it must have been angled somewhere facing the paper between the cone and rim :hairband:

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by hammered » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:39 pm

Blix wrote:
Sparky4444 wrote:
Can you cop the intro to Unchained and put it up?? I would like to do a spectral analysis of it and see how it looks....
Here you go, threw together a quick Unchained... :)

http://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/unchained" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Awesome , I know you've already said it but I'm gonna ask again , that Bugera is stock? Holy moly man that thing sounds good.

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by dirtycooter » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:15 pm

I am thinking about this alot and have to say I am kinda blown away on your concept and use of it all.
One thing that gets talked about when using slave amps is congruency against the dry cab. Even Steve Stevens stated that even with the HH's the wet side cabs never aounded "exactly" like the dry center cab but the matrix had solved this issue finally.

I think with such a cheap load method and the source of all audio being that line out its gonna be about as congruent as one is gonna get. Plus the way the power and volume is so manageable it begs the question-who needs a 4x12 anymore?? :what:
I am seeing some 3 ultra portable 1x12's in the future. Or one 3x12 cab divided into three compartments. F'n exciting to think about! So 1 4x12 with all nice expensive greens can be the donor with a spare on hand out of the batch left over. Way cheaper than say buying 2-4 times as many scum or blackbacks.....and you'll have the full wdw system.

I gotta boner for that matrix so hard the cat can't scratch it :drool:
Micro rig sized ASSKICKER that can go virtually anywhere! Also cheaper for the rest of the bands p.a. size to compete with your blaring unbridled old 4x12s resulting in a way better stage mix.

Are you able to get natural sounding old school traditional hendrix inspired feedback through the system as it is now??

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Blix » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:26 am

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Kewl!...I'll check it out tonite...I'll also put up some samples soon as well...I am obsessed with the engineering part of how Landee got that sound....

..The one thing I know is that using two 57's came make things harder to blend...I also know that there can be no way they put a 57 right down the cone if they were only using one mic -- had to be offset or angled facing the cone angle...for Fair Warning, I am thinking if they used on 57, it must have been angled somewhere facing the paper between the cone and rim :hairband:
Yeah the engineering part isn't discussed enough. While most try to nail the sound with a straight recording, we have to have in mind that what we hear on the records might have a good bit of EQ and compression. Also recorded through old custom API micpreamps, recorded to tape, and mixed and mastered to tape as well.
Not to mention 70's SM57's.
As soon as I can afford it I'm going to build a preamp or two from Classicapi.com :)

hammered wrote:
Awesome , I know you've already said it but I'm gonna ask again , that Bugera is stock? Holy moly man that thing sounds good.

Totally stock!
dirtycooter wrote:I am thinking about this alot and have to say I am kinda blown away on your concept and use of it all.
One thing that gets talked about when using slave amps is congruency against the dry cab. Even Steve Stevens stated that even with the HH's the wet side cabs never aounded "exactly" like the dry center cab but the matrix had solved this issue finally.

I think with such a cheap load method and the source of all audio being that line out its gonna be about as congruent as one is gonna get. Plus the way the power and volume is so manageable it begs the question-who needs a 4x12 anymore?? :what:
I am seeing some 3 ultra portable 1x12's in the future. Or one 3x12 cab divided into three compartments. F'n exciting to think about! So 1 4x12 with all nice expensive greens can be the donor with a spare on hand out of the batch left over. Way cheaper than say buying 2-4 times as many scum or blackbacks.....and you'll have the full wdw system.

I gotta boner for that matrix so hard the cat can't scratch it :drool:
Micro rig sized ASSKICKER that can go virtually anywhere! Also cheaper for the rest of the bands p.a. size to compete with your blaring unbridled old 4x12s resulting in a way better stage mix.

Are you able to get natural sounding old school traditional hendrix inspired feedback through the system as it is now??

Yeah, having a compact asskicking w/d/w rig is certainly a goal of mine, and if I could pull that off with 3 1x12" it would be fantastic. The three channel Matrix would be killer for this!
Now 25watt greenbacks might live a bit too dangerous in such a system, I think I'd use some 65watt scumbacks to be on the safe(r) side. :)

I'll check on the feedback tonight. :)

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Post by jape88 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:00 am

Blix wrote:
Yeah the engineering part isn't discussed enough. While most try to nail the sound with a straight recording, we have to have in mind that what we hear on the records might have a good bit of EQ and compression. Also recorded through old custom API micpreamps, recorded to tape, and mixed and mastered to tape as well.
Not to mention 70's SM57's.
As soon as I can afford it I'm going to build a preamp or two from Classicapi.com :)
I always thought Landee and Ed used the Urei 1176's from the start when it came to mike comps? from what I've read the on those early ones they had an amplified output stage! so yet another boost in the signal stage.

Btw, nice clip Blix :D

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Blix » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:15 am

jape88 wrote:
Blix wrote:
Yeah the engineering part isn't discussed enough. While most try to nail the sound with a straight recording, we have to have in mind that what we hear on the records might have a good bit of EQ and compression. Also recorded through old custom API micpreamps, recorded to tape, and mixed and mastered to tape as well.
Not to mention 70's SM57's.
As soon as I can afford it I'm going to build a preamp or two from Classicapi.com :)
I always thought Landee and Ed used the Urei 1176's from the start when it came to mike comps? from what I've read the on those early ones they had an amplified output stage! so yet another boost in the signal stage.

Btw, nice clip Blix :D

Urei 1176 is a compressor only, but a rather awesome one! Killer sounding units.

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Post by julkke » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:09 am

That unchained clip has that chunky D string, nice!! :rockon:

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Sparky4444 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:20 pm

Blix wrote:
Sparky4444 wrote:
Can you cop the intro to Unchained and put it up?? I would like to do a spectral analysis of it and see how it looks....
Here you go, threw together a quick Unchained... :)

http://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/unchained" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
sounds wicked...I just hear more buzzy gain on the original track...for me, I am in the camp that Eddie used more than just a dimed Plexi and a variac...the pick slides give it away for me, cuz if you do a pick slide with lower gain, it isn't pretty.. :rocker:

..but also a low pass filter up around 6k-8k could change that perception...I am convinced that most distorted tracks are low-pass filtered -- with cranked amps though...solid-state stuff is more versatile to sculpt and tweak...

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Blix » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:29 pm

Sparky4444 wrote:
Blix wrote:
Sparky4444 wrote:
Can you cop the intro to Unchained and put it up?? I would like to do a spectral analysis of it and see how it looks....
Here you go, threw together a quick Unchained... :)

http://soundcloud.com/amund-blix/unchained" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
sounds wicked...I just hear more buzzy gain on the original track...for me, I am in the camp that Eddie used more than just a dimed Plexi and a variac...the pick slides give it away for me, cuz if you do a pick slide with lower gain, it isn't pretty.. :rocker:
Personally I don't think he ever used anything but a eq to boost anything, and an eq can certainly up the gain a fair bit. :)

It's the sum of everything IMO, ED, Marshall, cab, mic,engineer, console, Eq, compression, tape, console again, then more tape for mastering. :)

But it wouldn't be any fun if this was easy, the chase if half the fun!

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Sparky4444 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:52 pm

Blix wrote:
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sounds wicked...I just hear more buzzy gain on the original track...for me, I am in the camp that Eddie used more than just a dimed Plexi and a variac...the pick slides give it away for me, cuz if you do a pick slide with lower gain, it isn't pretty.. :rocker:
Personally I don't think he ever used anything but a eq to boost anything, and an eq can certainly up the gain a fair bit. :)

It's the sum of everything IMO, ED, Marshall, cab, mic,engineer, console, Eq, compression, tape, console again, then more tape for mastering. :)

But it wouldn't be any fun if this was easy, the chase if half the fun!
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yep...soooo many up's and down's, it can gut-wrenching at times lol...

as far as the eq goes, for sure -- my 10band MXR oldie will drive things to high gain with my Music Man -- for sure...it just masks the overall sound in a way that sux the life out of the amp

:hairband:

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Blix » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:05 pm

Sparky4444 wrote:
yep...soooo many up's and down's, it can gut-wrenching at times lol...

as far as the eq goes, for sure -- my 10band MXR oldie will drive things to high gain with my Music Man -- for sure...it just masks the overall sound in a way that sux the life out of the amp

:hairband:

I used to have a early 80's MXR eq, but a cranked plexi and the MXR was so noisy it was pretty much useless, oh well... :)

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Re: Slaving is quite damn awesome.

Post by Sparky4444 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:40 pm

Blix wrote:
Yeah the engineering part isn't discussed enough. While most try to nail the sound with a straight recording, we have to have in mind that what we hear on the records might have a good bit of EQ and compression. Also recorded through old custom API micpreamps, recorded to tape, and mixed and mastered to tape as well.
Not to mention 70's SM57's.
As soon as I can afford it I'm going to build a preamp or two from Classicapi.com :)

That is what I am using for the Hot For Teacher clip..VP26

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Post by Blix » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:20 am

Sparky4444 wrote:
Blix wrote:
Yeah the engineering part isn't discussed enough. While most try to nail the sound with a straight recording, we have to have in mind that what we hear on the records might have a good bit of EQ and compression. Also recorded through old custom API micpreamps, recorded to tape, and mixed and mastered to tape as well.
Not to mention 70's SM57's.
As soon as I can afford it I'm going to build a preamp or two from Classicapi.com :)

That is what I am using for the Hot For Teacher clip..VP26
Well there you go! Happy with it? :)

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Post by rgalpin » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:09 pm

Blix - that first clip is quite so very awesome. :champ:

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Post by Sparky4444 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:20 pm

Blix wrote:
Sparky4444 wrote:
Blix wrote:
Yeah the engineering part isn't discussed enough. While most try to nail the sound with a straight recording, we have to have in mind that what we hear on the records might have a good bit of EQ and compression. Also recorded through old custom API micpreamps, recorded to tape, and mixed and mastered to tape as well.
Not to mention 70's SM57's.
As soon as I can afford it I'm going to build a preamp or two from Classicapi.com :)

That is what I am using for the Hot For Teacher clip..VP26
Well there you go! Happy with it? :)
Just something about the API-type pre's and eq's that fit with guitars...Having said that, my Golden Age Project PRE is Neve-ish and that can make guitars sound pretty smooth...

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